The Iraq War Was Universe

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Monday, November 29, 2004

Master Post 4

[NOTES OK LOL the great "BeerMan" showed up last week and he wants me to make a few changes! I'll do my best... --dustin]

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(For intro and explanation to this site, see this post. For policy on updating the Master Post, see here.)

CAST OF CHARACTERS

iraqwarwrong: Pseudonym (obviously). Nicknames: IWW, IWR, The Proprietor. Fake persona(?), always in character. Blogs at The Iraq War Was Wrong Blog.
True allegiance: Presumably dhinger (Satire Hypothesis). Alter ego of:
Treacher?, Frank J.?. Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: see Bio
section.

Jim: Pseudonym
but could AFAIK be real first name. Nicknames: just Jim. Fake persona,
always in character. No known blogs. True allegiance: Presumably
dhinger. Alter ego of: Treacher? Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch:
college student continually taking "lit crit" class.

Pastorius: Pseudonym (dead musician). Nicknames: Jaco Pastorius, Jaco. Real persona, sometimes fakes IWW style. Blogs at CUANAS,
now under alter ego Screaming Memes. True allegiance: dhinger (see
CUANAS). Alter ego of: Nobody (primary blogger at CUANAS). Known alter
egos: Screaming Memes. Bio sketch: Real persona opposed to
anti-Semitism. Fake persona ("Jaco") based on the dead bass player,
stories of crazy partying &c.

Screaming Memes: Pseudonym. Nicknames: S'Memes, Screaming Meme Dreams. Fake persona. Blogs at Screaming Memes.
True allegiance: dhinger (see Pastorius). Alter ego of: Pastorius.
Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: Real persona see Pastorius. Fake
persona: paranoid.

daisythelamb: Pseudonym. Nicknames: daisy. Fake persona. Blogs at iftheyonly.nu (real persona), Screaming Memes.
True allegiance: dhinger (see iftheyonly.nu). Alter ego of: Vanessa
Voelker (iftheyonly.nu). Known alter egos: no other known. Bio sketch:
Real persona, "early-twenty-something, somewhat colleged,
middle-American female. Leans toward rightwing ideology." Fake persona:
female, otherwise very similar to IWW. [sugg. by: diane]

TimT: Real name (Tim Train). Real persona, sometimes fakes IWW style (but not war view). Blogs at Will Type For Food.
True allegiance: dhinger (never seems to fake this). Known alter egos:
none. Bio sketch: Australian, once "interviewed" IWW. [sugg. by: TimT]

EvilPundit: Pseudonym (obviously) for real persona. Blogs at EvilPundit. True allegiance: dhinger (see blog). Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: Australian, makes funny images. [sugg. by: TimT]

BeerMan:
Pseudonym (obviously) for REAL persona [says BeerMan].
Blogger profile shows two non-maintained ("self-sustained") blogs. True allegiance: "moderate, socially liberal, fiscally conservative", anti-anti-war. Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: loves beer, hates the way some cops act. [sugg. by: TimT, updated by dustin]

The Plimsoul:
Pseudonym. Apparent fake persona. No known blog; comments on Screaming
Memes and presumably somewhere on TIWWWB(help?). True allegiance:
Presumably dhinger. Alter ego of: unknown. Known alter egos: none. Bio
sketch: Um... strange, anti-dhinger. [sugg. by: The Plimsoul,
self-reporting] P. Wallach Hedge: Pseudonym and alter ego of iraqwarwrong? [daisythelamb speculation; see here]. Blogs at: The Iraq War Was Appropriate. Bio sketch: (fake) older, mysterious, very dhinger.
grimace: Presumed pseudonym & fake persona. Blogs at: nosoda. Alter ego of: unknown. Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: similar to IWW.
cloverthe lamb(little): Pseudonym & fake persona. Blogs at: The Iraq War Still Was WronG Still. Alter ego of: unknown. Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: (fake) an actual... lamb, who draws pictures.

Susan: Pseudonym
but could AFAIK be real first name. Nicknames: just Susan. Presumably fake persona,
always
in character. No known blogs. True allegiance: ??. Alter ego of: ??.
Known alter egos: none. Bio sketch: (fake) Insecure woman, teacher, had
brief romance with a dhinger around election time & became a Bush
supporter temporarily. [sugg. by Susan] [entry by diane]



BIO OF IRAQWARWRONG

-Lives in an apartment.
-Roommate's name is Phung, Asian & Buddhist, who likes baseball.
-Downstairs neighbor is named Arun, probably Indian, a pre-med student.
-Once worked for Google, apparently emptying the trash.
-Education: Audited some classes at Princeton Seminary. [diane]
-Went to Oregon State University for a while, transferred to Reed College [diane]





SPECULATION/PROFILE OF REAL IWW

-Seems to have familiarity with rock/pop music from about 1980-current.
-Presumably conservative and pro-war (Satire Hypothesis).
-Numerous allusions to baseball points to being, not faking, a baseball fan.





LIST OF KNOWN & BELIEVED IWW SPINOFFS

Screaming Memes (Screaming Memes & daisythelamb)

nosoda (grimace)

The Iraq War Was Appropriate (P. Wallach Hedge)

The Iraq War Still Was WronG Still (cloverthe lamb(little))

The Iraq Was Was Universe (me :-) (AND diane!!)







NOTES

A "?" by an item denotes speculation/unverified.

Thanks to TimT for the inadvertently inspiring me to use "dhinger" in place of
"pro-war". (If you don't know what a "dhinger" is, why are you reading this?? :-)

Name
in brackets after a data point denotes contributor of data. No name
means I knew it from memory offhand, myself. [dustin]

9 Comments:

Blogger BeerMan said...

The beauty of modern technology is that you can make changes to things without those horrible strikethroughs. You do not even need to use white out anymore. I suggest you remove the stricken text from my description and replace it with the more accurate descriptions that you have chosen to place in quotations.

Also, under "Bio sketch", you still have me listed as "Very rightwing", when I am actually very moderate by the standards of the day. Sure, most of my views would have been considered highly liberal in 1950, but today, they are more moderate. Please correct your errors.

November 29, 2004 at 4:38 PM  
Blogger dustin said...

Sorry, BeerMan, for missing that. Will make correction shortly. I only used strikethroughs because I don't want people to accuse me of hiding my earlier errors which you've so generously correct.

I must say I'm a little confused about your real vs. fake persona (?) at this point. I saw diane on campus today and she was even more confused than I am. (She still swears you're a dhinger. It means rightwinger by the way.) Would you care to fill us in then, helping us out by answering a few:

-Do you/have you ever used a fake persona on TIWWWB? (Since you now call yourself a "moderate", I would say from the comments I saw that for a long time you were faking being a pro-war rightwinger, and sometimes still do... correct?)

-What is your *real* position on the Iraq war? (Your fake persona is obviously for it. What about your real persona?)

Also, you seem to be keeping us on our toes pretty good, and I'm sure you know you IWW stuff. (I saw how you exposed what his gender (probably) is - good work!) My question: Would you like to join the TIWWU team? You could make posts & update the Master Post info. You could put in your work on his gender & sexuality. Lemme know,

November 29, 2004 at 4:48 PM  
Blogger BeerMan said...

-Do you/have you ever used a fake persona on TIWWWB? (Since you now call yourself a "moderate", I would say from the comments I saw that for a long time you were faking being a pro-war rightwinger, and sometimes still do... correct?)

I have never used a fake persona.

I am not both pro-war and a rightwinger. I may be pro-war. I may not be pro-war, but I am certainly not a rightwinger. I am a moderate.

Just because I have not and do not plan to purchase a prayer rug, does not make me a rightwinger. Just because I don't support the oppression of women does not make me a rightwinger. Just because I am not an ultra-radical pinko commie does not make me a rightwinger. I told you. I am moderate.






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-What is your *real* position on the Iraq war? (Your fake persona is obviously for it. What about your real persona?)

War sucks. A lot of damage gets done. A lot of people die. Nothing good ever happens during a war.

The hope is that after the war, the good things that are allowed to occur because the war has been fought will overwhelm the horrors of the war and the pre-war tortures and murders committed by a tyrannical dictator.

I am not saying that the ends justify the means. I am saying something more like we hope that the war is a necessary evil in the social and philosophical maturation of the human race.

Our leaders have decided that this war is this kind of a necessary evil. Some of us agree with them. Some of us do not.

This does not change the fact that war sucks.

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Also, you seem to be keeping us on our toes pretty good, and I'm sure you know you IWW stuff. (I saw how you exposed what his gender (probably) is - good work!) My question: Would you like to join the TIWWU team? You could make posts & update the Master Post info. You could put in your work on his gender & sexuality. Lemme know,

He tried to pull this secret gender thing before. I remembered reading his post where he gave away his gender. It was easy to recall with his latest claim of ambiguity.

I do not know if I have time to do much with the blog right now. You can grant me permission to edit the blog if you like.

November 29, 2004 at 7:31 PM  
Blogger BeerMan said...

Is diane hot?

-BM

November 29, 2004 at 7:37 PM  
Blogger dustin said...

Good to hear from you again BeerMan. The picture is becoming clearer of from what I can tell, one of the oldest IWW regulars!

"I have never used a fake persona."

Wow. I guess we (me & diane) were both wrong in a way. So just so we're clear, the person who came up with "URLECH", and always talked about "homosexuals" and on and on... all that was sincere? (Just checkin'.. you know I gotta do this research if I get the chance LOL)

"I am not both pro-war and a rightwinger. I may be pro-war. I may not be pro-war, but I am certainly not a rightwinger. I am a moderate."

Ok so would you say you're a moderate, but you're... anti-anti-war? like, anti-idiotarian perhaps? (With IWW being the idiot... lol) am I close?

"I do not know if I have time to do much with the blog right now. You can grant me permission to edit the blog if you like."

Well I'd be giving you permission only to make new posts, not edit old ones or the template. Security reasons, you understand. :-) But I'll need an email address to use so I can invite you, if you're interested. (That goes for anyone else who wants on the team BTW.)

l8r

p.s.

"Is diane hot?"

Well if you like that kind of skank. (Ouch I'm gonna pay for that ;-)

p.p.s. As long as I'm interviewing and you're answerin', here's some more for my research...

-How did you first find out about IWW?

-What do you think of IWW?

-Why do you keep coming back?

-There was awhile where I didn't see any comments from you. What happened?

-Are you aware of the Satire Hypothesis?

(You dont have to answer if you don't want... I'm just trying to do my part as an IWWU investigative reporter lOL)

November 29, 2004 at 7:51 PM  
Blogger BeerMan said...

Are you denying the fact that homosexuals exist? If, so that is VERY FAR right of my views. However, I dont think this is the case.

Are you simply denying the fact that homosexuals can be ultra radical leftist extremeist communists? Why is that? Are you personally so extremeist that, from your perspective, nobody can be a radical leftist?

We can conclude from your URLECH question alone that you are a radical. Are you very far right or very far left? Since you call everyone a dhinger...I assume that you are a radical leftist. Also, you are on a college campus. I am sure the Pile higher, Deeper (PhD) crowd has you convinced of the leftist communist agenda. You are young and impressionable. If they get you now, before you know any better, they might be able to hold on.

Anyway, be aware that most profs on college campuses are very radical leftists, and for the most part, you are only getting viewpoints from the radical left.

Is the entire problem here, that you are part of the vast left-wing conspiracy, so everyone who is moderate seems to be a "dhinger", if you will?

Ok so would you say you're a moderate, but you're... anti-anti-war?

I do not understand the question. Is is your claim that only rightwingers can form a rational belief that some wars are necessary evils?

Do you think we just just surrender and buy prayer rugs today? Should we call up Osama Bin Bin's croanies and ask them for consultation on how to pray?

Do you support the slavery? Do you support the treatment of women, who are essentially being treated as slaves, in much of the Muslim world?

Do you just feel that these people are not "valuable" enough to rescue from their oppressors? Are you an elitist? Are you ethnocentric? Do you feel that American lives and American cash are so much more important than basic human rights, so long as those people are on Saddam's hit-list?

Have you ever received oil credits from Saddam Hussein in return for political support?



If you give me your email, I will make an anonymous account and send you a message.

If diane is hot and she is such a skank, can you post some nudie pics? Maybe some video, if you know what I mean? Are you too conservative for that? Is she?

-How did you first find out about IWW?
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-What do you think of IWW?
The man or the blog?

-Why do you keep coming back?
I enjoy it.

-There was awhile where I didn't see any comments from you. What happened?
I have this thing.....it's called a job. I have been busy at work.

p.s. what does "awhile" mean?

-Are you aware of the Satire Hypothesis?

Yes. Your asking of this question shows evidence that you are not only a college kid, (probably a freshman/sophomore in Political Science or Philosophy. You could be that junior with about 1 friend who everyone else calls a nutjob. You are probably a B-/C student who does not understand why he does not get better grades, since you are so smart) you also need to show how smart you are. In addition, you kiss professor ass and follow their leftist teachings like a dog follows his owner.

November 30, 2004 at 10:42 AM  
Blogger dustin said...

WHOA there BeerMan don't get so testy! You're overinterpreting quite a bit... (but I guess you wouldn't be BeerMan if you didn't, eh? :) To answer some of your questions/criticisms,

"Are you denying the fact that homosexuals exist? (etc)"

No. Just, you seemed to talk about homosexuals alot. I wanted to know if you were jokin' around, or... oh forget it

"We can conclude from your URLECH question alone that you are a radical. (etc)"

What? no way man. (I'm a libertarian myself.) Again: I just wanna know if you've been frontin', or serious all this time in all your comments I've seen... I guess I'm learning?

"[Ok so would you say you're a moderate, but you're... anti-anti-war?] I do not understand the question. Is is your claim that only rightwingers can form a rational belief that some wars are necessary evils?"

No, not at all! Notice I didn't call you a rightwinger AT ALL here, forget the "rightwinger" stuff. I just wanted to know what your real allegiance is. I guessed "anti-anti-war" as a reasonably decent term to describe you? No?

"Have you ever received oil credits from Saddam Hussein in return for political support?"

Heh. I wish! Then I'd be rollin' in it

"If you give me your email, I will make an anonymous account and send you a message."

Ok dude. If ur serious and will join the Team of this blog, I'll invite you. You can contact me at

dustink_indahouse@yahoo.com

"If diane is hot and she is such a skank, can you post some nudie pics?"

She'll have to field that one..

"[What do you think of IWW?] The man or the blog?"

Both.

"[Why do you keep coming back?] I enjoy it."

How so?

"[Are you aware of the Satire Hypothesis?] Yes."

So what do you think about it? Do you agree or disagree with it?

"Your asking of this question shows evidence that you are not only a college kid"

Well I've already *said* I'm a college kid, how much more "evidence" do you need?

As for the rest of your guesses... I decline to state how close you got :-) l8r

November 30, 2004 at 12:52 PM  
Blogger BeerMan said...

HA!

The word libertarian is a funny word. There is very little fundamental difference between a "libertarian" and an anarchist.

I suppose the "libertarians" are somewhat associated with the "right wing" and the anarchists are somehow associated with the "left wing", but I think this is mostly because libertarians are greedy bastards who do not want to pay taxes which provide services for common good. They come up with all kinds of garbage about the inefficiency of the federal govt, but when you get right down to it, they are greedy bastards. Anarchists, on the other hand, have no money. They just want to roll a joint without getting pinched.

However, I am sure that you are lying when you claim to be a libertarian. You may be an anarchist. It is more of a personality thing than a political philosophy thing. You are just too nosey to be a libertarian. You want to know this and that about everyone. Very common for an anarchist. Collect info about people so that you can use this knowledge to undermine the govt.

The other possibility is that you are female. Makes me wonder about the whole dustin/diane thing.....

November 30, 2004 at 10:52 PM  
Blogger dustin said...

BeerMan,

First of all I notice you didn't answer lots of my questions. What's that all about.

Second, I think you have a really warped idea of libertarianism. I've seen that alot. People have this idea about it and it's totally wrong. It's kind of unfair to be honest, it's like putting down something you don't even understand.

If you're really interested there's this woman writer you should look into. Her name (yes it's a woman!) is Ayn Rand. My roommate (who's totally a big fan of hers) got me into her last year and I admit, I was really impressed. I had never heard of her before. I don't know why she's not more famous? She could be taught in highschools (she's that good) and I totally didn't get why she isn't.

I haven't read all her stuff but basically what I heard is, she takes the basic single logic idea of A=not A and then comes up with (using Reason, you're a reason guy right BeerMan?) alot of principles. It's amazing stuff. So you see, liberatarianism has a really solid foundation, it's just that people don't know about it or it's not understood like it should be. (IMHO the two-party system perpetuates this.)

For her books, I really recommend Anthem. It's not very long and quite cool. I've also read partway through The Fountainhead but it's kinda boring. Anthem is great, though. It's science fiction actually, but don't be fooled. Check it out. THEN maybe you could get back to me and see that your criticisms of libertarians are unfounded.

Finally, um, dude, you think I'm a chick? I don't get you sometimes. Here you dig up one like six-month old post from IWW to prove he's a guy. But meanwhile you're confused about *me*, when I haven't even hid anything from the start. Anyway, look, this isn't even about me, it's supposed to be about IWW. Are you on the team or not? If u want just lemme know,

dustink_indahouse@yahoo.com

(I know I know it's a stupid email addy.. I use it for when I do DJing at weddings & stuff)

l8r

December 1, 2004 at 1:49 PM  

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